Originally posted by Bellino I don't agree with Conan.

 

Ok here goes…

 

This is the problem… it seems like because I disagree with some policies then I can’t acknowledge ANYTHING positive that your country does. So maybe I shouldn’t say anything positive and only say negative things… sheesh.

So first off BUMRUSH… who said that the US gives us freedom anyway? We earned our freedom, we have other allies besides the US, and were a very diplomatic and respected around the world MUCH MUCH more respected than Americans when you travel the rest of the world. But I know that if for example ww3 broke up the US would protect our borders and like I said before its also for your own safety not just ours. So I don’t see how were cowards? Just cuase we don’t want to go start a bullsh*t war for someone elses profit blamed on 9/11 which is totally false isn’t ok with our moral standards.

ICEMAN: I don’t always bash the states but on these particular issues I have negative opinions. So its not that I hate the states or anything. And the answer to your is NO. It was not acceptable but I would rather live under saddam than live there right now. And you can’t deny that you went to war with false information and your politicians never cared before about what saddam did but now that they wanted to invade all of a sudden it’s an issue. What about Darfur and other problems in the world? You have no problem turning your back on them. So the war is unjust and that to me is the bottom line. Also, the states knew what he was doing with the oil for food program and ignored it.

Edited by Conan - March 14 2007 at 6:00pm

Originally posted by C.P.O PITBULL Just cuase we don’t want to go start a bullsh*t war for someone elses profit blamed on 9/11 which is totally false isn’t ok with our moral standards.

 

This is why people give you grief, Pitbull, you state opinion and not fact.

 

Originally posted by C.P.O PITBULL It was not acceptable but I would rather live under saddam than live there right now.

 

You've never lived there before and you dont live there now.  Again, factless opinion you offer.  I can offer facts of the living conditions of Iraqis for the countless years during and before Saddam that run counter to what you claim.

 

Originally posted by C.P.O PITBULL And you can’t deny that you went to war with false information and your politicians never cared before about what saddam did but now that they wanted to invade all of a sudden it’s an issue.

 

Propaganda.  There were many reasons to remove Saddam.  Our government needed a reason to get congress and the global community behind that decision.  WMD was the reason.  But had Saddam been more cooperative with the weapons inspections, maybe it could have been diverted.  Regardless, there were more reasons than just WMD, otherwise we'd be in North Korea right now.

 

Originally posted by C.P.O PITBULL  What about Darfur and other problems in the world? You have no problem turning your back on them. So the war is unjust and that to me is the bottom line. Also, the states knew what he was doing with the oil for food program and ignored it.

 

We can't be involved in every situation, I think 1 is enough.  But if we were in Darfur you'd be saying the same arguement of illegally involving ourselves.  And we'd say all we are doing is trying to help.  Then you'd say, well what about Iraq? Starving people, tyrant dictator and death squads, no rights for woman, why aren't you helping them?

 

I also find it funny how everyone says "where was the US when Iraq was doing this? Where was the US when Iraq was illegally selling oil for weapons and cash while their citizens were starving and dieing?" Well, we are there now, and nobody is saying, "well its about time", instead all we get is grief.

Wouldn't it be nice if perhaps when everything gets settled and the new Iraqi government gets moving along, and the Shiite death squads stop killing Sunnis, and the Sunni death squads stop killing the Shiites?  Equal rights for all, schools, hospitals, water, electricity, a better life for the Iraqi citizens.  Wouldn't that be nice?

The US isn't without conflict through it's history.  Take the American civil war (April 1861 - April 1865) for example.  Over 600,000 total dead, and over 400,000 wounded.  Eleven Southern slave states that declared their secession and formed the Confederate States of America  in an attempt to gain (or not lose rather) control of the federal government, and fear of losing their state's rights and being forced to abolish slavery as dictated by federal law.  The South had some valid points, the North had some valid points, but who was right?  The South thought they were, and they thought slavery was acceptable.

Anyway, just a point to say that ultimately history will determine who is right with this conflict in Iraq.  But no matter how you want to muddy the waters, our intent is to provide a better life for the Iraqi people and help rebuild, and offer some stability in the middle east, and like it or not, there are alot of Iraqis that are grateful for us being there.

Originally posted by supercobra Iraq didn't harbor anyone involved with 911. Saddam hated and feared the jihadists

He was found in Iraq, justifying one cause to be there. Along with the many look-a-likes he had that were in Iraq as well, and the crowds that gathered to show their support. They knew he was their, and no one talked. they harbored the enemy, and are paying for that.

Put that with ice's post and i think you've got somewhat of a solid arguement for being there.


Edited by Gadget - March 14 2007 at 8:04pm

Just to let every one know, Pit is from Iran.  He would of been what we call a sectoral Shia. His family had migrated to Canada when he was just a very young lad. Its only natural to have conflicting emotions. Those motions will continue for another few years till at a time when that little light bulb in the back of his head go's off. Then thing will start to come into focus for him.

I'm sure you will.